states, the house of the people -- i mean, we have lost our way here, haven't we? >> yes, we definitely have. those republicans that got reelected, and the ones i got elected -- basically said they were not going to raise taxes. they have a fiscal plan. the fiscal plan means that you want to bring down the trillion dollar per year deficit. we want to get to the point where you have fiscal stability in this country. at this point in time, we are just playing games, and i think it is foolish to the economy in such a crisis. lou: you can take the speaker boehner plan, they obama plan, no plan. both of these plans as they are enunciated right now result in 10 years from now, just about a $25.5 trillion national debt. that is not much of a plan. [laughter] ed rollins, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. lou: much more on the fiscal cliff, the games being played by the president and the congress. we will take that up with the "a-team" coming up next. and ambassador rice will not be secrety of state. after meeting with the president, she is still on the obama "a-team." the